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hello everybody and welcome to and well

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it's not another edition of inside out

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limit set we haven't been on the air for

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a couple of months basically because of

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problems with moving homes and illnesses

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and so on and so forth but we are back

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now with this one offer an hour-long

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special just to get me in Phillip Mount

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or back on the air again I am Chris good

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evening good evening to you Sarah

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absolutely hunky-dory brilliant that's

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great stuff so how are you been it's

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been a long time since we've spoken on

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the air and yeah Ave miss doing it to be

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quite honest yeah I mean I can't

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complain as you know Chris I always keep

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busy with with something or another so

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you know what whilst we've not been on

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air things have been progressing and

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working away on a variety of things as

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per usual oh so what's been progressing

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you know it's a very tantalizing to say

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that way Phil because we all want to

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know what you be well you know one of

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the things that takes up a lot if not

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most of my spare time Chrissy's is the

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various books that I work on you know I

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run my own as everybody probably knows

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my own little one-man publishing concern

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flying Express so keep that up and

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running and you know just as we came off

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the air last last time around a

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published a little book called the

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mystery of the Utz or a brunet ancient

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you ain't UFO encounter in Japan by a

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check or I'll never be I pronounce this

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a key problem practicing shark I come on

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that's easy absolutely I've got me teeth

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in as well and I still cats pronounce it

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you might need manners so huh you know

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we've had some some some nice comments

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about it it is an unusual little book

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it's about an event that really did

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happen you know back in the the early

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19th century they up the early part of

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the 1800 so on I won't go into any great

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details but it's a very peculiar event

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and then literally as as we speak Chris

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on November the first

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we have a huge great monster of a book

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which is you know over 500 pages called

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UFO contacts in Brazil bye-bye Thiago

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Chetty all right Tiago I thought he was

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pronounced theater it might well be you

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know to him a number of times on skype

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and he's never he's never corrected me

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but it might just be - were - kindness

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to not say if you let me say my name

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wrong that comes out on November the 1st

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and it is basically a blockbuster of the

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best and most interesting cases from

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Brazil now what can I do I must say Phil

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that I'm grateful for the the review

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copy that you sent me and I have

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actually started reading that over the

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last week or so and I'm actually looking

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forward because I do know that we are

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going to be speaking with the man

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himself very soon yes provisionally

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lined up a date to interview Tiago and

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you know one of the things I will say

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which I always have to emphasize -

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certainly American podcasters is that

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Tiago will just speak excellent English

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you lived in the UK for a number of

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years so you won't have any problem I

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mean he is also without our Yorkshire

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actions me in the West you in the least

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and we're talking about a guy in Brazil

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and he's accent but so about American

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listeners you can be rest assured that

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they'll be able understand every word he

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says that's good I'm glad to hear that

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cause it becoming easier for me in you

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when we interview well the main problem

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because I can't pronounce them anyway

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and they don't mean an awful lot to map

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never because he's not just talking

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about the main you know towns and cities

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in in in Brazil some of which we may

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well know but incidents in places we've

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never heard of before Chris a much of

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the book of course was never been in

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English before let alone anything else

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so you know it will literally be out you

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remember the first I have my copy sat

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here beside me and I have ready but I

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mean I can remember an awful lot of it

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by already and yeah you know it is a

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fascinating book it's a huge great tome

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and I think it's a you know a compliment

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to Tiago Annie's colleagues that have

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done the research that featured in it

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you know and I'm sure anyone that

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obtains a copy

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where will find it but not just of

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interest but of use as well so there we

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go that's out on November the 1st it's

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always good doing to it feel to be aware

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of some of these sightings that a global

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sightings really you know do we have

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something similar that's happened in the

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UK do we have something similar that's

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happened in Australia do we have

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something similar what's happened in

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Brazil so on the I mean these books come

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out or an absolute box we how can I

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pronounce it how can I say this it's

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like finding a gold nugget somewhere

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because you can compare because I think

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and as researchers I think the word

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you're looking for is essential to have

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that's right me yes on my blog flying

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this press you know I'm not a blogger I

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don't do updates and all this kind of

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thing I just put information about the

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books on there but when I set when I set

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this all up in nineteen no sorry 2015

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the ethos if you like was to try and

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publish as much information from all the

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territories other countries that perhaps

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we'd never heard from before in English

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for example the first two books I did

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were one from Poland and one from

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Romania and of course I've done Roberto

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/ Nazis book from Italy I've just

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mentioned another little one from Japan

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and we've got tiago's coming from Brazil

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and you know if I get the opportunity to

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publish other works from other countries

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there now I'll certainly accept it

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that's great to know and like I just

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said they're essential to health well

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yeah and one of the other things I'm

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being doing as well is we've discussed

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it on air we've interviewed people on

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this podcast Crissy's the alien autopsy

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film I published a book about it many

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years back you know on it I thought that

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would be in there I've updated that book

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once so I'm about to update it again to

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include all the information that's been

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spoken about around the so called email

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dump that happened in June of 2019 this

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involved yeah kick green doctor kick

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green I should say well let's just

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remind our listeners what this is about

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Phil what it's supposed to all that well

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it's it's a it's a list of email this

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you know an email thread and it involved

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Bob Bigelow he run a good an

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organization called needs National

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Institute of Discovery Sciences so

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copied in on this this email list are

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people who worked at needs this how put

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off this con Kelleher and there's a

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couple more names in there but it's all

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about doctor kit he's real named

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Christopher but it's called kick green

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that he worked for the CIA back in the

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70s and 80s you know he's a medical

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doctor so some of the information in in

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the this email thread was about some of

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his work that he'd done at the CIA and

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which includes said he had several

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briefings one of which I think was in

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1987 stock 88 he claimed that he was

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shown a Liat an alien autopsy film that

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looked the same as the Santilli alien

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autopsy film shown on TV in 1995 let's

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get let's get this right fill the same

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or similar in this email list it calls

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it the same not similar

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the same then he goes on to give his own

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professional medical opinion of the

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sanitary film talks about a whole host

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of things including some quite

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disparaging remarks about some Tillie's

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PR folks as he called them in other

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words Santa girl at some tell his

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colleagues sorry stuff whatever you want

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to call them and you know the nd he

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thinks that Santa is film is authentic

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it's real so we you know Richard Dolan

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managed to get hold of Kate green and

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interviewed him and has published items

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on that and which is interesting he now

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claiming those items that the film he

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was shown by the CIA back in 87-88

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was a fake so there was for some reason

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was showing him a fake he also claims to

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have received about a dozen other alien

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autopsy films only one of which he felt

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worthy of further investigation and that

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turned out to be a poor unfortunate

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person with a disease called progeria

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just like was premature aging but but he

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claims now that the film he was shown by

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the CIA was a fake however in the

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discussion with Richard Dolan he says

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that aspects of this fake film from the

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80s are the same at Santa Lee's film in

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the 1995 well whether its parts of it or

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whether it's the whole film they can't

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be any connection between the till

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because Santa Lee's film as we know and

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we've interviewed the gentleman in

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question was designed and filmed and

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made by Spiro Samaras in 1995 so anyway

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you know that's how it how it stands but

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I'll let you know for the first time I

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too have been in touch with kit green

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and he has he has given me a quote he's

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answered all of the questions I

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I posed him out in all fairness but not

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allowed like same with with Dolan some

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of the things he was saying we're not

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allowed to be published he wouldn't

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allow the interview - that was take two

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of course to be broadcast so I'm not

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allowed I don't have his pick me up so I

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said give me give me a quote that I have

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your permission to publish and on that

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was on the proviso that when I do the

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update of the book basically the updates

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gonna be one chapter grace that covers

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this I will send it to him first so we

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can see one of what I've said and I

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won't change that

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so that's why I intend to do now as as

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you I think you're aware but others

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maybe I've got a huge archive of

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material research material I've got here

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about the alien autopsy film because

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this was done you know in the 90s before

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the internet before the email really

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took off so a lot of it I've got a lot

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of paperwork this includes letters and

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faxes from Kodak from people involved

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doctors you know oh hold something and

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Santilli you know yes so my ideal is

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that I will rather than you know

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summarize these things which I have done

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in parts in the in the book I'm actually

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going to print them in full so you'll

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have a whole section in probably in the

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middle of the book well it will be

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documents it will be photographs it will

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be transcripts of interviews I did with

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people and they will be there in in fall

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so you can you can see what I even kept

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some of my letters that I wrote to

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people like sound Tilly and and so on so

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I like that so it's going to be a bit

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like Calvin Parker's two books it's

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gonna be large format the text is going

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to be supplemented with lots of

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documents and photographs and things of

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that nature and and I'm working on that

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in the meantime that's excellent

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now last time we we spoke we was on air

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with the show I think it was a couple of

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weeks before the Outer Limits magazine

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conference which

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in your neck of the woods in Pontefract

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they're offering West Yorkshire and

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obviously we've held a conference there

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we had a bit of a surprise at that

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conference for well we are two surprises

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didn't we filled you want to tell one

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Malcolm Robinson bought a drink real

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surprised I'll point out to everybody

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somebody filmed it somewhere otherwise

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nobody'll believe us like there was a

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number of surprises if we think about it

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Chris Warren you had a surprise up your

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sleeve

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you pulled sparrows malaria out of the

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out from behind the stage so it was an

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unofficial guest and speaker we also had

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the wards you kindly gave myself and

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Malcolm award felt almost like services

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to industry the interest had been who

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followed you and of course Malcolm for

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those aren't aware this the the where we

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have the event is in an old Victorian

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town hall with the old-fashioned you

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know so it's almost like a school hall

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in the middle but was some nice huge

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great stage and a balcony now Malcolm

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was one fan I don't know why but he went

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for a wound around upstairs in the

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balcony and he claimed to have seen a

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ghost you know so that was another

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surprise so mark I believe Malcolm's

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talked about this and may have even

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written it up somewhere I think he has

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written it will be a you know a limits

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magazine and so you know there were

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surprises all around there really were

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but one thing that wasn't a surprise

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Chris even though you change venue this

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year rather than Abbott in the Freedom

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Center in Hall the one thing that has

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come across in in all three of the

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events that that you've you've organized

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and hosted he's how friendly all was you

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know there's no he goes you know there's

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there's a nice mix of speakers all

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talked about something completely

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different

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we even had our friend and colleague

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stefanos Panaji of tackies

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- seen that come all the way from Greece

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I make a short presentation on stage I

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think you interviewed stefanos stefanos

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is so enamored with it he's coming to

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Hall next year he's already he's already

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planning it yeah he's actually asked me

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where he can stay there you go so I've

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actually told him I'll you know if you

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take away what the speakers were talking

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about that you know the overall

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atmosphere let's come across all three

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of these events has been extremely

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friendly and informative very relaxed

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and you know people actually enjoyed the

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day well that's to me the all ideas it's

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not just about presenting information

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and you know making well allowing people

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to become informed about these sightings

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or anything that goes in the magazine

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it's about meeting old friends in an

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atmosphere that as you say is it's not

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just no Eagers that new Eagles to boast

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or anything like that we're all the same

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we're all amateurs when it comes down to

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it at the end of the day even though

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some of us are classed as experts you

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know to me and exes it used to be in a

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space you know it used to be a big drift

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we're all there to do exactly the same

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thing share information meet old friends

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and today now then Phil I were you today

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are you getting on you know it's all

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about having a cam around and sharing

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information well and that's exactly how

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it's come across I mean you know I met

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old friends there made some new ones you

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know and and it was a good day all round

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and I don't think we could have wished

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for any better Chris I really don't know

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I'm not just saying that because you're

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the organizer it's just a fact you can

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ask anyone that was there well they saw

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fair next years they're just as good now

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quickly speaking about next year's I do

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know and this is the first time it's

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been announced on air that we've got

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yourself speaking again next year we're

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talking I think you're talking about

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Calvin Parker and the latest information

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about pascagoula tell us about his later

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book fell well yeah I mean you know I

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met Calvin almost two years ago now

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online published his first book you know

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Pascagoula the closest encounter which

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basically tells Calvin into some respect

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his partner who was with him that night

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Charlie Higson tells his story of what

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happened that night on October the 11th

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1973 on the Pascagoula River now when I

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first make contact with Calvin and when

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we agreed to do a book I said have you

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got any documents have you got any

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photographs and he said no ma'am you

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know he said everything I had was washed

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away in Hurricane Katrina

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I think his house was under 8 or 10 feet

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of water which is you know unimaginable

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for someone like me so as well as

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helping direct Calvin with the writing

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of the book one of the things that I did

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was the research piece was to find the

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newspaper cuttings the old photographs

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and I didn't pester people but I just

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somebody said how did you find so much

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information for it said I just politely

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asked the question I'm working with

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Calvin Parker on this do you have

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anything you know any photographs and

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the documents and the newspaper kinds

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and so on and and I just made a you know

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a repetition so you've seen the results

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of some of that in in Calvin's first

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book but of course it didn't end there

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and the questions continued Plus Calvin

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for the first time ever really also

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started to speak at UFO conventions it

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was supposed to be in Pontefract but

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unfortunately it's your kill and put and

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couldn't make it so for example he was

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at the the convention in in Laughlin

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Nevada where he met Peter Robbins and

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Peter reminded Calvin the you know he

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had been hypnotized or regressed by Budd

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Hopkins in 1993 you know so I managed to

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be no bud sadly no longer with us but

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his archive of material is with dr.

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David Jacobs

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so I asked David if he had a copy of the

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tape of that session which he did he

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sent me and I transcribed it in a

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pressed oh it's it's it's in Calvin's

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first book now but who knew that he ever

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existed in the first place you know as

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Pete and not reminded him we probably

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would would would never have seen the

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light of day

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Calvin's one of these is a lovely lovely

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man and and he just forgets to tell you

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things it's not done on purpose so the

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research just continued after his first

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book was published then what happened

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was Calvin did a local TV news thing I

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think it was Fox 10 News and he was you

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know on the Runner and a ten minute

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segment somebody put that on on YouTube

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then I was looking at it and a woman had

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written up a little you know you can

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leave a little a little message on most

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YouTube videos oh my mum and dad put on

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the opposite side of the river that

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night and they saw this - what so I

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contacted this lady and she put me in

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touch

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eventually with her mum and dad letting

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ended up being mrs. Maria and mr.

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Fernand Blair and it was it was

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absolutely true Mr Blair worked in the

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fishing industry now the Pascagoula

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lorries he is a huge great river it's

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not some little thing that runs down the

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bottom of your garden they have

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shipyards on him and so on now he was at

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the other side of the river on a little

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pier waiting for a boat to come in with

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his wife Maria they're driven are they

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but the boat was hours late he so he

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wasn't in the best of moods when they

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both saw this blue light over the other

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side of the reef course that's where

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Karl

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Charlie and Calvin were and mrs. mrs.

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Blair said it looked like it was either

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lost or it was or is it yeah I was

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looking for something silver boat mister

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you know started to come in so they

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impeach the outlets hobbled along this

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this this little pier Mr Blair went off

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in front because he's not he's not happy

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and then mr. pleasure that was this huge

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gleich great splash

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in the water next to her mr. blair heard

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it but he was you know content on

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getting on the boat and she says once

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you look down in the water next to her

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there was a strange grey man in the

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water and she didn't quite know how to

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describe she said no it's not pop why so

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a dolphin it was a man and she said it

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went under the water and off it went

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so she run like mad threw the stuff on

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the bowl now let's be here again let's

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be clear again here earful this wasn't

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the man trummer not exactly it was it

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wasn't you know him it was in now so he

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is lavish unspecified so i think she

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threw mr. Blair's belongings on another

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boat and he was off and she said what

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scared me most is that I had to go back

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down past this place on meal in the dark

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so she went like a rocket so we we

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stepped forward in time now to to you

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know we're putting Calvin's second book

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together and literally would at the last

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you know last stroke of it almost mrs.

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Blair rings me and she tells me that mr.

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Blair you know he's been ill for a while

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Kris I've spoken to him on the phone but

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he's in hospital and he's having an

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operation the following day and she's a

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bit flustered which and she says he's

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told me something Phillip he's never

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told me before mr. Blair on the phone

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told me that he had also seen this

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creature in the water and it was the

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first time he never admitted he you

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don't even admitted it to his wife he

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said not only did I see it I saw it go

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across back across the river above the

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water and he said I saw the UFO take off

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and it wanted to tell us Chrissa because

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you know I think the operation was was

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you know a serious one let's put it that

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way

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thankfully he survived it and then he

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mrs. Blair actually filmed him on earth

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on her camera phone making a little

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statement about this which I have so I

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mean that was that came completely out

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of the blue but when I take smee back to

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when I first spoke to mrs. Blair on the

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phone

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and she's telling me about what happened

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and one of the sort of parting comments

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was you know Philip she says I always

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wondered if something similar didn't

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happen to me and my husband that

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happened to Charlie and Kelvin that

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night and so whether there's any more to

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that I know I don't know mr. Blair is

539
00:25:32,859 --> 00:25:30,529
still very ill and I thought sup with

540
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:32,869
him but that was just one of the things

541
00:25:39,879 --> 00:25:36,529
that came out of nowhere so you know

542
00:25:42,970 --> 00:25:39,889
make of it what you will I think for mr.

543
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:42,980
Blair to come out as he has you know in

544
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:44,570
the situation that he was in I think

545
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:46,970
that is a massive statement from a man

546
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:49,970
who may not have survived an operation

547
00:25:55,330 --> 00:25:52,850
and I think really he wanted to support

548
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:55,340
his wife or be seen to be supporting his

549
00:25:59,769 --> 00:25:57,350
wife and admitting that yes I had seen

550
00:26:01,389 --> 00:25:59,779
it at Leslie's use excessively just

551
00:26:02,590 --> 00:26:01,399
didn't want to be made of fool you know

552
00:26:04,859 --> 00:26:02,600
I didn't want people laughing in our

553
00:26:07,629 --> 00:26:04,869
team man I could understand that and

554
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:07,639
Calvin has recently met up with mrs.

555
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:09,230
Blair and you know they have talked

556
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:13,190
about it and you know and I'm Maria and

557
00:26:20,049 --> 00:26:16,369
Vernon were just two of a number of

558
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:20,059
eyewitnesses that came forward or if not

559
00:26:23,769 --> 00:26:21,470
came far would we manage to find

560
00:26:25,389 --> 00:26:23,779
somebody would mention old so I think

561
00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:25,399
old so until saw something and we just

562
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:27,220
managed to be able to track them down

563
00:26:34,330 --> 00:26:31,279
for example Calvin did a book signing in

564
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,340
Pascagoula and a chap came up to him a

565
00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:37,279
crabber book please oh by the way you

566
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,190
know I saw that thing back in 1973 and

567
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:42,320
off he went mmm

568
00:26:47,619 --> 00:26:45,289
and Kalman told me this story luckily

569
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:47,629
somebody was taking photographs at the

570
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:49,070
time and we had a picture of this

571
00:26:54,129 --> 00:26:51,289
gentleman buying a book from Calvin and

572
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,139
so we put that picture on social media

573
00:27:00,279 --> 00:26:57,200
not once but several times eventually

574
00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:00,289
someone who worked in the town of

575
00:27:05,349 --> 00:27:03,080
pascagoula said I know all that is oh I

576
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:05,359
know one of his relatives I'll ask if

577
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:07,190
it's all right to give you out his

578
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,450
telephone and they did his name was mr.

579
00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:14,480
Lewis Lee and again he was on the other

580
00:27:18,249 --> 00:27:16,220
side of the river that night working in

581
00:27:21,129 --> 00:27:18,259
one of the shipyards and it was a crane

582
00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:21,139
operator and he and he said but what was

583
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:22,550
apt him Phillip I was

584
00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:25,670
lighting I had a day job doing a bit of

585
00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:27,800
work on the side on a night to earn some

586
00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:29,420
extra money which I thinking those days

587
00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:31,550
wasn't strictly legal Chris you know

588
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:33,860
you're right so he says as soon as I got

589
00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:34,850
in my cab

590
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:36,920
he says and that comes about ten feet

591
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:39,310
off the ground so I could see this thing

592
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:41,810
out across the river and he says it's

593
00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:45,740
the damnedest thing you ever did see and

594
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:48,470
he washed it for him you know for a good

595
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:51,260
wild Chris and the only reason he took

596
00:27:53,890 --> 00:27:52,490
his eyes off it is because he had

597
00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:53,900
something dangling on the end of his

598
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,640
crane I think he's mate down below sure

599
00:27:59,650 --> 00:27:57,440
don't you know what the hell you doing

600
00:28:01,870 --> 00:27:59,660
you know so he said I took my eyes off

601
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:01,880
it attended to my business and when I

602
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:06,530
looked back he had gone so do am sorry

603
00:28:11,740 --> 00:28:08,090
fellas just went away do all these

604
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:11,750
witnesses then who saw this UFO on the

605
00:28:15,730 --> 00:28:13,310
ground are offering above the ground

606
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,740
do the old describe it exactly the same

607
00:28:20,290 --> 00:28:17,600
well I think I think the common

608
00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:20,300
denominator is that it was blue it was a

609
00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:23,540
blue you know lumination that's what

610
00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:26,420
Calvin and Charlie's said but they were

611
00:28:31,660 --> 00:28:28,580
literally had their fishing poles in the

612
00:28:34,510 --> 00:28:31,670
river the drove what an Park took and

613
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:34,520
Calvin Calvin didn't know this area he

614
00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:35,930
only had gone to live with Charlie

615
00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:37,880
Calvin came from a place 200 miles away

616
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:40,910
so on the way in they passed a know no

617
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,310
entry sign and Charlie said that don't

618
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:44,960
worry about it I go here all the time

619
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:47,210
so the face in the water and there's

620
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,310
some blue lights come from behind and

621
00:28:52,030 --> 00:28:51,440
Calvin's first impression was it's the

622
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,040
law

623
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:53,840
it's the police we're gonna we're gonna

624
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:55,370
get a fire I'll spend the night in jail

625
00:29:01,210 --> 00:28:57,890
so when he turned around he expected to

626
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:01,220
see the police car but it wasn't it was

627
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:06,080
this huge blue wheel illumination which

628
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:08,360
at first was difficult to see anything

629
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:11,600
behind it because it was so bright and

630
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:13,370
of course once their eyes got adjusted

631
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,310
they saw this object that was giving off

632
00:29:20,770 --> 00:29:18,080
this light but it was blue it was a blue

633
00:29:23,620 --> 00:29:20,780
light so the common denominator amongst

634
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:23,630
the other eyewitnesses was this blue

635
00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:26,600
luminous object light whatever you want

636
00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:30,470
to call it and so what we have sightings

637
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:35,030
that come in both before and after and

638
00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:36,510
there's even a

639
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:40,470
a special reports written by I think

640
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:46,110
it's Walton Webb in 1978 II wrote a but

641
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:51,000
it's a it's about events in 1973 and

642
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:52,890
it's on the queue force website I have a

643
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:54,990
copy and there was a whole wave of

644
00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:58,410
sightings across the states Chris passed

645
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:01,190
the rule had just been part of him

646
00:30:08,289 --> 00:30:04,980
just recently again this is not written

647
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:08,299
up but we even have a sighting from

648
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:10,890
where Calvin and charlie is on the river

649
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:13,799
that is the highway 90 bridge literally

650
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:16,410
go straight across the river use Great

651
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,240
Bridge so we knew of one witness that

652
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,220
was encounter Charlie Hickson's book

653
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:25,980
which was published in 1983 so it really

654
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,750
shouldn't have surprised us that other

655
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,520
witnesses may come forward because the

656
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:31,500
the locations not an out-of-the-way

657
00:30:35,419 --> 00:30:33,870
place great you know it's not like

658
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:35,429
Roswell in the middle of the desert you

659
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,910
know I mean yeah I've actually seen some

660
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:41,520
images obviously with it with the the

661
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:44,010
Historical Marker with Calvin standing

662
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,720
down you can see the Pascagoula is a

663
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:48,000
city or a large town in the background

664
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:51,570
there so it is it is more or less in the

665
00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:53,130
middle of a building so one of the one

666
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,929
of the latest sign is has come in is

667
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:57,419
from a chap driving on the bridge but

668
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:59,880
it's a year later but exactly yeah it's

669
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:01,950
a year later and he said it was right

670
00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:04,410
above his car you know and he was

671
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:06,750
actually on on the bridge itself driving

672
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,380
on that bridge I'll write it up now I'll

673
00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:11,520
send it forward for you for a little

674
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,660
update for for the Outer Limits magazine

675
00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:17,760
be brilliant so all these things have

676
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:21,980
been happening Chris yeah I do know in

677
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:24,090
you know I mean you just talked there

678
00:31:28,299 --> 00:31:25,860
about historical events that had been

679
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:28,309
written up about events happened in 1973

680
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:31,890
now we also know and it's in Calvin's

681
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:34,950
latest book that there was a gentleman

682
00:31:38,659 --> 00:31:37,140
by the name of Philip Glass oh yeah who

683
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:38,669
investigated this and you've actually

684
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:41,010
included a chapter in Calvin's book all

685
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:45,330
about this again on social media in a

686
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:47,790
shop called Robert Schafer was it was on

687
00:31:52,669 --> 00:31:49,890
you know a skeptical job

688
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:52,679
it says I have a an unpublished article

689
00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:55,380
by Philip Glass on the Pascagoula

690
00:32:00,650 --> 00:31:58,830
incident so us that's great can I kind

691
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,660
of have it please so he send me again I

692
00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:02,880
asked the question it's a three page

693
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:06,420
article if anybody that knows a Philip

694
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:09,929
Glass it was the arch deep bunker right

695
00:32:17,180 --> 00:32:11,730
up until he's do you know he until he

696
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:17,190
passed away and so he you know he stance

697
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:20,760
was that it was a hoax he bases this

698
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:24,510
purely on the polygraph that Charlie

699
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:29,000
Higson jock apparently it wasn't with a

700
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:34,020
suitable or a qualified chap at the time

701
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:35,790
whether it was a no I really doesn't

702
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:37,950
matter cuz you know polygraph legs exams

703
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:40,070
not admissible in car any more anyway

704
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,000
but that's what he based it on however

705
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,799
Robert mentioned an account remember

706
00:32:53,530 --> 00:32:48,960
where it was now but that Philip Glass's

707
00:32:57,860 --> 00:32:53,540
archive of material was a particular

708
00:33:02,000 --> 00:32:57,870
institution so I contacted them and he

709
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:02,010
had a whole file on Pascagoula and I

710
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:03,929
think he's hundred and some odd pages

711
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:07,830
long which includes correspondence he

712
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:10,590
had with people you know copies of his

713
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:12,360
own letters that he sent to people

714
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,140
requesting information and so on I mean

715
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:18,120
Charlie Hicks him for example appeared

716
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,590
on the Dick Cavett show which was

717
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:21,840
probably the biggest talk show of its

718
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:24,660
time whilst we don't have a copy of it

719
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:28,250
what what what for the cluster's he's

720
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:31,470
transcribed it so he's transcribed the

721
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:33,570
whole TV show but it was too big to put

722
00:33:41,510 --> 00:33:38,340
the whole file in in the book the the if

723
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,520
you like the three-page article is it

724
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:43,919
condenses any any relevance from his

725
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:45,929
from his file and when you look at his

726
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:48,750
file he's classes he's not trying to do

727
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:51,210
any research Chris he's just trying to

728
00:33:55,510 --> 00:33:54,570
dig up any dirty can to throw it mainly

729
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,520
Charlie Higson

730
00:34:01,040 --> 00:33:57,600
because Calvin as we all know it

731
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:01,050
disappeared off the scene so what we did

732
00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:03,400
Calvin has his own website

733
00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:06,620
and so the whole fire is actually now on

734
00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:08,270
his website that anybody can download

735
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:11,660
and access for themselves and read of

736
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:15,679
course but I asked Kelvin when I when I

737
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:17,450
first found the article so do you ever

738
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:18,950
meet Phillip class and he said yeah I

739
00:34:26,890 --> 00:34:21,560
met him only once and he tells the story

740
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:26,900
of Charlie was doing a TV show I think

741
00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:30,650
in New Orleans and yes Calvin to come

742
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:32,300
down not to go on it but just for a

743
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:35,540
meeting so Calvin agreed and he said

744
00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:37,610
when he got there Ellie's Charlie

745
00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:40,400
introduced this fella coming in no idea

746
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:41,840
why he thought it was some kind of

747
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:45,830
scientist but he wouldn't go on the TV

748
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:49,280
show with Charlie so in the end neither

749
00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:51,740
of them now they're this so-called

750
00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:54,440
scientist was Philip Glass so now the

751
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:56,300
class not Charlie Hicks and went on the

752
00:34:59,560 --> 00:34:57,770
TV showing question now there was a

753
00:35:02,260 --> 00:34:59,570
journalist there so he said look

754
00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:02,270
gentlemen let's go on with the road and

755
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:05,150
I'll buy us all dinner so you know

756
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:06,890
Calvin's bemused by all this

757
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:09,050
so I said by the time we get over the

758
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:11,830
road you know and to this restaurant

759
00:35:15,610 --> 00:35:14,090
Charlie and Philip class aren't even

760
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:15,620
talking to each other they won't sit

761
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:18,910
next to each other on the at the table

762
00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:24,320
so the journalist asks Philip Plus why

763
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:27,500
would you not appear on television with

764
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:30,950
mr. Hixon and he says I don't go on TV

765
00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:36,170
with Liars so Calvin took exception at

766
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:38,030
that because if he's calling Charlie a

767
00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:38,480
liar

768
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:46,220
can I say this he left mr. glass in no

769
00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:50,480
no illusion it shouldn't be calling him

770
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,840
a liar and I can imagine the scene

771
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:54,560
Philip it

772
00:36:01,420 --> 00:35:56,660
excuse me mr. Kloster but do you realize

773
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,430
well any says and because of that they

774
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:02,960
want us to leave the restaurant they

775
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:05,570
didn't get any food and Calvin drove

776
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:07,730
home rather hungry that night and he

777
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:10,310
said that was his one and only encounter

778
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:12,470
with Philip class the city never asked

779
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:15,050
me any questions never contacted me you

780
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:17,070
know even though I'm sorry

781
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:19,170
you know this you know he's just calling

782
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,980
us Liars so not very no not at all so

783
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:24,540
that's another thing we uncovered just

784
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,570
by asking the question you know so from

785
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:30,720
going from a three-page unpublished

786
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:32,460
article we ended up with Philip Glass's

787
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:35,550
whole file on the case some of which is

788
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:37,470
quite interesting Chris I have you know

789
00:36:42,110 --> 00:36:39,630
even from a sceptical point of view it's

790
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:42,120
interesting to see how it worked and

791
00:36:45,350 --> 00:36:43,770
then we have Calvin's recollection of

792
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:45,360
his one and only meeting with him which

793
00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:48,150
which is it just shows you more of

794
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,230
Calvin's character you know and it's all

795
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:54,240
that's in in in the second book which we

796
00:37:00,320 --> 00:36:57,570
call Pascagoula the story continues new

797
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:00,330
evidence and new witnesses title says it

798
00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:05,030
all I've got to say with these two books

799
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:08,040
we've actually got I think it's just

800
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:11,090
over eight hundred pages of facts

801
00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:15,330
information documentation hypnosis

802
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:18,360
recordings all transcribed this has to

803
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:21,630
be the Pascagoula case has to be one of

804
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:25,380
the best ever documented Close

805
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,530
Encounters of its kind ever that has

806
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:30,300
been recording and this information

807
00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:32,280
compiled and put out by yourself

808
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:34,350
Phillips I've got to congratulate it's

809
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:36,630
not just me and Calvin on they seats

810
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:38,910
yeah and agree with with what you said

811
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,450
Chris no I mean when I first talked with

812
00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:44,400
Calvin he was even reluctant to tell me

813
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:46,940
anything and we've ended up with two

814
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:50,130
stonking books in my opinion and I'm not

815
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:51,720
saying that in any biased way these are

816
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,640
the type of books I will buy in the

817
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:55,440
first book I've put a lot of newspaper

818
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,650
cuttings in it and that was to show just

819
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:01,440
how much pressure Calvin and Charlie

820
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:05,460
were under from the media but that also

821
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:07,890
shows as well Phil the interest

822
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:10,770
oh absolutely here in this subject cuz I

823
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:13,500
dunno in the first but a lot of them are

824
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:15,870
global yeah stuff from all over so in

825
00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:18,600
the second book that is a couple of that

826
00:38:24,110 --> 00:38:21,360
is a few newspaper cuttings then there

827
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:24,120
are some from from the time but there's

828
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:26,190
also some from you know the coverage of

829
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:28,350
Calvin coming out with his story as well

830
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:29,160
but what

831
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:32,579
did and I was helped enormously by a

832
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,190
chap called Andrew haha Kaymer Andrew

833
00:38:41,029 --> 00:38:37,500
now runs Calvin's website for him Andrew

834
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:41,039
had access to Jim a lot of the old UFO

835
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,470
magazines that work with him you know

836
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:45,839
published at the time so what I did have

837
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:48,420
put copies of articles from the UFO

838
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:51,960
press in this new book so you could see

839
00:38:58,009 --> 00:38:54,359
how the UFO research community covered

840
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:58,019
it back in 1973 and so on and I found

841
00:39:02,539 --> 00:38:59,880
that you know for me you know equally

842
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:02,549
fascinating and then of course found

843
00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:05,569
online quite by chance

844
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:08,359
Calvin's first hypnosis with dr. James

845
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:12,599
harder literally done two days after the

846
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:15,150
event it's only a small clip it lasts

847
00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:17,609
about eleven minutes and and Calvin

848
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:19,470
didn't tell him an awful lot you know

849
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:21,150
some people think because you're under

850
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:22,980
hypnosis it's some kind of truth serum

851
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,690
and you've got to tell you don't if you

852
00:39:29,059 --> 00:39:26,640
don't want to cooperate you don't I know

853
00:39:30,859 --> 00:39:29,069
I've been under hypnosis and then of

854
00:39:38,529 --> 00:39:30,869
course we jump right back forwarding

855
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:38,539
time - we found two more hypnosis tapes

856
00:39:48,009 --> 00:39:43,609
with no Calvin but Charlie Higson and

857
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:48,019
put Hopkins and these were from the

858
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:53,940
1980s and you know what was think 1985

859
00:40:04,670 --> 00:39:58,920
the other was 1989 and they mainly deal

860
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:04,680
with accounts from Charlie's childhood

861
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:07,740
rather than the main event so they were

862
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:10,410
again you know totally unheard of and

863
00:40:28,099 --> 00:40:20,390
September 14 to 2019 we had the

864
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:28,109
opportunity of Cathy Mardon to travel to

865
00:40:33,859 --> 00:40:30,450
Pascagoula and put Calvin under

866
00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:33,869
regressive hypnosis again Catholic is a

867
00:40:39,259 --> 00:40:36,630
trained hypnotherapist to use happens to

868
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,269
be that makes a Betty hill as well you

869
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:41,280
know it's written

870
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:43,890
of books as a new book out now in fact

871
00:40:51,350 --> 00:40:48,080
so Kathy you know travel to Pascagoula

872
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:51,360
put Calvin under regressive hypnosis and

873
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,190
I must admit I was its you know what

874
00:40:59,720 --> 00:40:55,200
whether you agree with hypnosis or not

875
00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:59,730
as a useful tool you cannot cannot

876
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:01,800
criticize Kathy's professionalism and

877
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:04,890
how she handled it you know that more or

878
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:06,930
less the same night is that the hypnosis

879
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:09,330
was done you know I had an audio file of

880
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:13,980
it in my computer and I transcribed it

881
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:16,080
and it's all in the book and I said to

882
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:17,040
Calvin that's it

883
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:20,430
the book ends there you know we kept

884
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:22,410
moving the line we were going to end it

885
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:26,850
when Calvin had the honor of having a

886
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:29,970
historical marker unveiled back in June

887
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:33,240
of 2019 by the mayor and the town of

888
00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:34,980
pascagoula it was dedicated to him and

889
00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:36,870
Charlie and what happened to them

890
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:39,360
official unveiling all this lot Kalman

891
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:41,700
does a little TV into his crying you

892
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:43,290
know and he said you can bury Matt you

893
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:44,850
can scatter my ashes underneath it you

894
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:47,190
can bury me here that's how much it

895
00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:49,650
meant to him then of course we had the

896
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:51,840
that's when we were going to end the new

897
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:54,300
book the new book didn't start off was

898
00:41:58,340 --> 00:41:55,650
in your book by the way start off a

899
00:42:00,500 --> 00:41:58,350
revised edition of the first one but

900
00:42:02,570 --> 00:42:00,510
well he's got so much info there was no

901
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:02,580
way we could do it as you said it's over

902
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:07,230
800 pages of stuff so we ended it the

903
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:09,060
acid I don't care if somebody you know

904
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:11,160
pulls an alien out of the fridge Calvin

905
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:15,420
you know that we've drawn the line I

906
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:16,980
would love to see spirits about that one

907
00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:18,840
Phil gets periodical yes so that's

908
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:20,100
that's where we finished it and now

909
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:26,250
listen to to Cathy's hypnosis obviously

910
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:27,810
because I was transcribing it but she is

911
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:30,110
you know the consummate professional

912
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:32,580
that's that's the best thing I can say

913
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:36,540
about her she picks her words you know

914
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:38,460
she chooses or worse the full transcript

915
00:42:41,530 --> 00:42:39,900
of it is in the book you don't have to

916
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:41,540
believe me you can read it for yourself

917
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:44,280
one of our main sayings is what happened

918
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:44,670
next

919
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,310
so she's not leading Calvin Calvin to

920
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,960
his credit a lot of the time says I

921
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:51,000
don't know you know he doesn't try to

922
00:42:54,860 --> 00:42:53,550
make things up didn't try to please the

923
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:54,870
hypnotist he just

924
00:43:00,320 --> 00:42:58,050
I don't know and she asked him again he

925
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:00,330
still says I don't know you know and

926
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:03,480
again Calvin talks about two incidents

927
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:05,370
when he was a young man so I should say

928
00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:08,670
a young boy and then he talks about the

929
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,080
incident in 1973 with Charlie then we

930
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:15,660
move forward to 1993 when he's out on a

931
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:18,420
little fishing boat with himself when

932
00:43:23,930 --> 00:43:21,030
another incident happens that was

933
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,940
touched upon in the earlier hypnosis

934
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:25,680
with blood Hopkins but they're going to

935
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,770
it in a bit more detail in this so and

936
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:30,720
it's all there you know every single

937
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:32,370
line there's nothing edited out each

938
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:35,670
their every word you know and like I say

939
00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:40,500
make of it what you will and it's also

940
00:43:46,310 --> 00:43:43,470
nice to I've had a thank you from you

941
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:46,320
from Calvin for the support that we've

942
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:47,970
given him from our limits magazine as

943
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:49,890
well because I know we covered the three

944
00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:50,970
new witnesses

945
00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:53,190
this will be the Blair's no doubt when

946
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:54,870
they came forward in you know we had

947
00:43:59,810 --> 00:43:57,180
that in the April 2019 issue and we've

948
00:44:03,770 --> 00:43:59,820
actually got a front cover image of oil

949
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:03,780
I mean there but you see we've had a

950
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,610
little team working on this there's me

951
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:08,160
here was Calvin in Pascagoula is

952
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:10,710
assisted by a lovely lady in Pascagoula

953
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:14,010
Cobb Rebecca Davis she runs an

954
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,080
organization called on Main Street which

955
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:19,200
is a charity which you know highlights

956
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,490
things that's happening they do all

957
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:22,440
kinds of events in the town she's a big

958
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:25,740
supporter of of Calvin and then of

959
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:28,770
course I lost spoke to a lot of the

960
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:31,050
witnesses that the the new eyewitness is

961
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:34,080
myself on the phone initially the

962
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:35,970
interviews were done by my colleague dr.

963
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,210
Ari in Ascot so I will pass on the

964
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:40,800
detail he just made more sense with

965
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:42,840
Irina being in the States and then I

966
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:43,950
would ring in her memory I didn't know

967
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:46,740
what time it was there you know and then

968
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:49,350
we were also assisted by a chap called

969
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,720
Douglas Wilson who's the the MUFON guy

970
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:54,720
in the area and I think and then you

971
00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:56,490
know so there's a number of people have

972
00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:00,060
assisted and it shows what can be done

973
00:45:05,810 --> 00:45:03,390
Chris when there's no no egos involved

974
00:45:08,819 --> 00:45:05,820
all all of us were combined and we were

975
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,829
all had the same aim which was just

976
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:11,680
find out as much as we could about the

977
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:14,650
various leads that we got you know and

978
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:16,930
even you know even skeptics like Robert

979
00:45:21,299 --> 00:45:19,150
Schaeffer I asked him he didn't hesitate

980
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:21,309
said yet here's the thing about fill

981
00:45:25,049 --> 00:45:23,410
class and you can find the rest of his

982
00:45:26,489 --> 00:45:25,059
stuff at such and such an institute

983
00:45:29,539 --> 00:45:26,499
forgotten the name of the place I've got

984
00:45:32,489 --> 00:45:29,549
it written down somewhere you know and

985
00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:32,499
we've got people from all over you know

986
00:45:38,339 --> 00:45:35,619
Barrett Greenwood Yan Aldrich did you

987
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,349
know lots and lots of people mark

988
00:45:43,859 --> 00:45:41,920
O'Connell that Don Schmitt all assistive

989
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:43,869
is every time we ask the question have

990
00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:46,930
you got anything you know on Pascagoula

991
00:45:51,779 --> 00:45:48,759
if it didn't have it it didn't have it

992
00:45:53,339 --> 00:45:51,789
you know so you know they're all they're

993
00:45:56,249 --> 00:45:53,349
all mentioned in the acknowledgments of

994
00:45:59,309 --> 00:45:56,259
the of the new book anyway yeah but it

995
00:46:01,859 --> 00:45:59,319
just shows what what UFO research can do

996
00:46:05,459 --> 00:46:01,869
Chris when he it can of unites if you

997
00:46:08,459 --> 00:46:05,469
like around a particular cause and we've

998
00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:08,469
seen the results of it absolutely

999
00:46:14,249 --> 00:46:11,380
now speaking personally and I mean after

1000
00:46:16,829 --> 00:46:14,259
the conference which was a great success

1001
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:16,839
even though cat Calvin Calvin wasn't

1002
00:46:21,299 --> 00:46:19,390
there because of his illness and I know

1003
00:46:23,579 --> 00:46:21,309
a lot of people were quite impressed

1004
00:46:25,229 --> 00:46:23,589
with the am the documentary that you

1005
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:25,239
showed you know it's the first time it's

1006
00:46:30,269 --> 00:46:28,329
have insured anywhere on Calvin's a life

1007
00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:30,279
well not so much his life story really

1008
00:46:35,819 --> 00:46:33,160
but the incident itself it was a very

1009
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,829
well received by everybody that was in

1010
00:46:39,329 --> 00:46:36,400
the audience

1011
00:46:40,979 --> 00:46:39,339
it's the woman only showing of it Chris

1012
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:40,989
I mean I've got a I've got it here it's

1013
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:44,410
called alien contact the Pascagoula UFO

1014
00:46:53,339 --> 00:46:49,089
encounter it's by reality films they

1015
00:46:55,859 --> 00:46:53,349
made that in the summer of this year and

1016
00:47:00,120 --> 00:46:55,869
it's the the director is a chap called

1017
00:47:02,459 --> 00:47:00,130
Jay Michaels just so happens Jays also

1018
00:47:04,769 --> 00:47:02,469
one of the witnesses although he was a

1019
00:47:08,219 --> 00:47:04,779
about 100 miles away but he saw

1020
00:47:12,359 --> 00:47:08,229
something that night October the 11th

1021
00:47:13,709 --> 00:47:12,369
1973 so you know yeah his own story to

1022
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:13,719
tell that said that the documentary

1023
00:47:21,509 --> 00:47:17,170
kicks off it doesn't give you Calvin but

1024
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:21,519
it interviews mrs. Blair it interviews

1025
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:22,630
Lois leg

1026
00:47:29,009 --> 00:47:27,160
Judy browning Susan snow and you know

1027
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:29,019
mr. blair hadn't made his announcement

1028
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:31,900
before this was made so this will come

1029
00:47:39,450 --> 00:47:35,470
out the last thing inform me will be

1030
00:47:41,279 --> 00:47:39,460
January February time of 2020 so the one

1031
00:47:42,809 --> 00:47:41,289
and only viewing of it that's been seen

1032
00:47:46,289 --> 00:47:42,819
anywhere was it the Outer Limits

1033
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:46,299
conferencing Pontefract and I said

1034
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:49,180
another another string to the birds I

1035
00:47:53,609 --> 00:47:51,910
suppose we could say what's it say it's

1036
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:53,619
well worth watching air people if you

1037
00:47:57,269 --> 00:47:55,720
want to other you know when this comes

1038
00:47:59,490 --> 00:47:57,279
out January February next year don't

1039
00:48:01,799 --> 00:47:59,500
care where you are in the world you know

1040
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:01,809
try and get to see it is absolutely

1041
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:06,250
fantastic fantastic account and it

1042
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:08,410
really lives back up everything what

1043
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,210
Philip has already told you from the

1044
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:13,200
books and it is fascinating to see now

1045
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:16,690
myself after the conference as you know

1046
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:18,910
Phil I took a couple of days off just to

1047
00:48:23,999 --> 00:48:20,890
chill out a little bit but then I got

1048
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:24,009
straight on with issue 22 of limits

1049
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,170
magazine and also starting to organize

1050
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:28,960
next year's conference you know which

1051
00:48:33,779 --> 00:48:31,390
we've discussed very briefly earlier on

1052
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:33,789
with yourself coming along to speak and

1053
00:48:37,289 --> 00:48:35,470
and talking more about the pascagoula

1054
00:48:38,849 --> 00:48:37,299
and bringing everything up to date and

1055
00:48:40,829 --> 00:48:38,859
no doubt between now and then you might

1056
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:40,839
have some more new information there's

1057
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:43,420
always something you know new happening

1058
00:48:49,859 --> 00:48:46,210
like I said we have a an eyewitness

1059
00:48:53,549 --> 00:48:49,869
account now from a year later on the

1060
00:48:56,789 --> 00:48:53,559
bridge over highway at 90 just recently

1061
00:48:59,490 --> 00:48:56,799
for example a song is being written and

1062
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,500
recorded about Calvin in the Pascagoula

1063
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:02,319
case a chap got in touch from me online

1064
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,529
I wanted basically you know wanted an

1065
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,359
introduction to Calvin's which is no

1066
00:49:12,779 --> 00:49:10,720
problem as a chap called Johnny Cobb you

1067
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:12,789
know Johnny's a professional musician is

1068
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:13,420
a Grammy

1069
00:49:21,329 --> 00:49:17,250
grammy-nominated musician works with a

1070
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:21,339
another chap called Jerry McCoy who's a

1071
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:23,410
master guitarist in the Blues Hall of

1072
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Fame and you know they sent me a couple

1073
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:30,490
of what were called instrumentals and

1074
00:49:34,859 --> 00:49:32,920
said can you use him in any way Philip I

1075
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:34,869
use the little clip online I put a few

1076
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:35,700
pick

1077
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:37,890
- it matter my first attempt at doing a

1078
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:39,900
little a little a little I won't call it

1079
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,010
a video little animation and I just

1080
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:46,880
happened to say be nice if we had a song

1081
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:48,750
and off they went

1082
00:49:55,099 --> 00:49:52,290
so Johnny Cobb and he's partly Jamie

1083
00:49:57,799 --> 00:49:55,109
McCoy and I put together a song it's

1084
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:57,809
called Blackwater Blue Moon the Calvin

1085
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:00,599
Parker started the the same Blackwater

1086
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:05,220
Blue Moon came up a long time back some

1087
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,900
chap on line just said you know Philip

1088
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:08,460
wherever saying around here when you

1089
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:10,859
have black water and a blue moon strange

1090
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:12,569
things happen in Pascagoula

1091
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:15,690
so that phrase is part of what he's what

1092
00:50:19,819 --> 00:50:18,150
inspired the song unbeknown to me what

1093
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,829
they'd also done they took a clip of an

1094
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:22,079
interview with Calvin put that on it as

1095
00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,380
well so you get a few few lines from

1096
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:27,540
Calvin in the song and I like it I've

1097
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:29,010
gotta be honest and I can't thank the

1098
00:50:34,430 --> 00:50:31,290
two gentlemen enough so hope you play it

1099
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:34,440
as well Chris well I'll be happy to do

1100
00:50:38,539 --> 00:50:36,390
that and we'll do that in just a moment

1101
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,549
but I have to say I've heard this myself

1102
00:50:42,799 --> 00:50:40,559
and I'm not a person who's into what I

1103
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,809
would call country music but it is a

1104
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:45,359
very very very catchy - and I quite

1105
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,730
enjoyed listening to it so that's well I

1106
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:49,980
want to Calvin about it and I pulled

1107
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,609
these like I said look you know not only

1108
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:55,500
were an author and a TV star now you're

1109
00:51:00,079 --> 00:50:57,960
a recording artists I said about not

1110
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,089
John Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney on

1111
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,520
the phone I wanted to do duets with you

1112
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:04,079
nearly thirty nearly fell off his chair

1113
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:17,589
there were any you can download it yeah

1114
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:19,070
I think it costs about a pound to

1115
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,050
download it but you can listen to it

1116
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:22,640
free online you don't have to pay

1117
00:51:30,089 --> 00:51:24,830
anything you know just shows you how

1118
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,099
nice people can be absolutely yeah and

1119
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:32,480
we've literally got about five minutes

1120
00:51:36,730 --> 00:51:34,520
left Phil so what I'm gonna do I'm just

1121
00:51:39,339 --> 00:51:36,740
gonna do a quick small announcement

1122
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:39,349
about the plans that we have in store

1123
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,990
for next year and the out limits

1124
00:51:47,859 --> 00:51:44,240
magazine conference will be on September

1125
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:47,869
the 5th and 6th 2020 and that will be

1126
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:50,090
held in Hall we're going back to our our

1127
00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:53,540
home as it suck so called the Freedom

1128
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:55,400
Center Preston Road hall we have

1129
00:52:00,970 --> 00:51:57,530
yourself mr. Philip mantle who's doing

1130
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:00,980
as I said something on pascagoula will

1131
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:02,630
have Peter Robbins who will be speaking

1132
00:52:07,089 --> 00:52:05,300
on birthdays now Peter is famously known

1133
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:07,099
has been involved we've left the east

1134
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:10,270
gate and Larry Warren but he's a

1135
00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:13,400
disavowal days association with a Larry

1136
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,840
Warren a number of months back now

1137
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:16,640
you'll be speaking birthdays

1138
00:52:21,099 --> 00:52:19,430
we have Bennifer stein who's them quite

1139
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:21,109
involved with MUFON she was involved

1140
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:24,380
she's involved should I say with a movie

1141
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:26,450
production company and she's the person

1142
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:29,930
who helped to bring Travis Walton story

1143
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:32,930
out in 2015 and helped to produce the

1144
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,810
air the documentary that I put together

1145
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:37,760
will have a return from mr. Phillip

1146
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:40,250
Kinsella who spoke in Pontefract and he

1147
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:43,660
did go down very well rightfully so and

1148
00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:46,700
will be having his twin brother Ronald

1149
00:52:51,339 --> 00:52:48,940
Kinsella who will also be presenting

1150
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:51,349
we'll also have such a Claire Christie

1151
00:52:58,690 --> 00:52:54,830
who's talking about Aaron encounter a

1152
00:53:00,460 --> 00:52:58,700
few years ago now in Wales but she's got

1153
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:00,470
a witness at long last to come forward

1154
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:02,450
to our own case and they will be

1155
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:04,510
presenting something on one of the days

1156
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:07,130
we'll also have from home mike koval and

1157
00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:09,560
i'm also organizing one or two of the

1158
00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:12,320
surprises as well for the event as i do

1159
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:14,150
my own little presentation as well as

1160
00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:16,730
people know i do a top five or a top ten

1161
00:53:22,359 --> 00:53:18,680
run down of your follicle events of the

1162
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:22,369
year and i put that to to music

1163
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:24,190
sometimes i don't see

1164
00:53:29,309 --> 00:53:26,890
okay little be alright with that and

1165
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:29,319
yeah so tickets are available for that

1166
00:53:34,770 --> 00:53:31,420
now so if you'd like to get some look

1167
00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:34,780
for the magazine website and you know

1168
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:36,280
the Outer Limits magazine website and

1169
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:37,900
you can get them on there you can add

1170
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:39,970
single day tickets off all weekend

1171
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:43,119
tickets and I'm currently preparing

1172
00:53:48,420 --> 00:53:45,730
issue 23 the magazine which will be

1173
00:53:50,010 --> 00:53:48,430
coming out on December the 1st so what

1174
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:50,020
else you look to yourself well you know

1175
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:51,520
again just planning you mentioned two

1176
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:53,290
gentlemen there Phillipe and Ronald

1177
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:56,890
Kinsella both of them have signed up to

1178
00:54:02,579 --> 00:54:00,430
do books with me next year keep getting

1179
00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:02,589
regular updates from both of them I also

1180
00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:05,260
have a lady by the name of Diane Tessman

1181
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:09,750
from the from the US with another book

1182
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,490
now those who regularly subscribe to the

1183
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:14,319
out limits magazine will know Diane

1184
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:15,790
claman because she has provided many

1185
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:18,190
articles for me yes she has and the

1186
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:22,180
topic of her book e stuff is her looking

1187
00:54:27,809 --> 00:54:24,700
to the fact that you know UFOs are not

1188
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:27,819
from outer space they are humans from

1189
00:54:34,290 --> 00:54:32,470
the future and I also have chat by the

1190
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,300
name of Andrew Hawke I'm ER

1191
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:37,359
Andrew also runs Calvin's website but

1192
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:40,540
he's doing the the the definitive book

1193
00:54:46,109 --> 00:54:43,690
on the Philadelphia Experiment he's a

1194
00:54:48,359 --> 00:54:46,119
huge researcher into it and a huge naval

1195
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:48,369
researcher as well and then we have

1196
00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:50,740
Kevin Randall we've interviewed on here

1197
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:52,780
Chris not that not that long ago that's

1198
00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:53,500
right

1199
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:54,760
I think that was the last show that

1200
00:55:01,020 --> 00:54:56,920
would yes and Kevin is doing his

1201
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:01,030
favorite cases from Project Blue Book so

1202
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:04,770
I'm working on all those as we speak

1203
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:07,510
and then next is well dominate well you

1204
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:12,490
know I don't know you won't have the

1205
00:55:18,030 --> 00:55:15,910
time yeah so you know I could say as we

1206
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:18,040
stand now it's Thiago's book UFO

1207
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:21,130
contacts in blue on November the 1st and

1208
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:23,530
also I have a chap by the name of John

1209
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:27,520
Steiger now John is a UFO researcher in

1210
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:28,180
the States

1211
00:55:34,829 --> 00:55:31,030
he's also made a couple of little movies

1212
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:34,839
in the past so John has actually written

1213
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:38,050
a trilogy of plays

1214
00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:40,900
for the theater but all based on

1215
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:43,960
real-life UFO events first one is

1216
00:55:49,410 --> 00:55:46,960
Roswell the second one is Rendlesham

1217
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:49,420
forest and the third one is the Brooklyn

1218
00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:53,520
page abduction but Hopkins Linda Cortile

1219
00:56:00,240 --> 00:55:56,350
so although they're based on real life

1220
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:00,250
events real-life encounters that plays

1221
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:04,390
out fictitious for example Roswell

1222
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,210
he takes Roswell to court so the scene

1223
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:09,280
is based in a courtroom and he have the

1224
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:11,890
pros and cons the Rendlesham forest

1225
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:16,740
incident is based on a like an official

1226
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,350
judicial hearing into what went off and

1227
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:23,440
the Brooklyn Bridge thing is is based

1228
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:27,610
around a support group meeting so so

1229
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:29,950
these are literally the plays so you'll

1230
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:31,900
have the dialogue plus all the resources

1231
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:33,790
where he's got his information from and

1232
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,890
endnotes the lot and so you know well

1233
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:40,720
that's on the list to be published again

1234
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:43,780
the next year with authored by Jon

1235
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:49,650
stager Oh completely different

1236
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:52,330
absolutely absolutely bit more like a my

1237
00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:55,810
conference now just before I do finish

1238
00:57:01,440 --> 00:56:59,260
and there is one gentleman always come

1239
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,450
in to the event oh you know a little bit

1240
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:04,000
better than I do fill in it it will be

1241
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:06,460
doing a presentation for us is it Paul

1242
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:08,530
yes Paul's an old friend of mine we go

1243
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:11,500
back way back way back

1244
00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:15,400
Paul was initially in the in the UK Army

1245
00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:18,520
as a medic I think he served in total

1246
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:21,400
both part-time and full-time in the

1247
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:23,670
military it's something like 14 years

1248
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:26,230
upon leaving the military he went into

1249
00:57:30,690 --> 00:57:29,260
civvies three as a paramedic did that

1250
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:30,700
for a number of years then worked in the

1251
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:33,730
control center and Paul's written his

1252
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:36,190
first book cost us folds the real story

1253
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:40,090
I highly recommend it and Paul and I you

1254
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:42,570
know investigate cases we even others

1255
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:46,380
III witnessed something on July the 23rd

1256
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,820
1984 over a suburb Leeds

1257
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:51,040
I didn't know Paul then and he saw it as

1258
00:57:54,780 --> 00:57:52,000
well

1259
00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:54,790
you know so what when we became friends

1260
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,830
some years later that just cropped up in

1261
00:58:02,430 --> 00:57:59,440
conversation one night so we were

1262
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:02,440
witness to the same thing and you know

1263
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:06,609
Paul as as recently retired so it's now

1264
00:58:12,089 --> 00:58:09,250
giving him the time and I think the

1265
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:12,099
confidence to dip his toe into writing

1266
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:14,740
more researching more and making his

1267
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:18,250
first presentation in public so that's